random answers to various flist posts

[boogieshoes]

ok, i'm late to the party, but i've had other stuff on my mind... like hurricanes.  and headaches ::sighs::

anyway, karieflybabe, i totally agree with you and fluterbev re plagiarism in the senficfind comm.

starwatcher307 , i want to answer the question you asked the other day in your 'blogging while female' thread, about why i brought up one particular point.  there's a deep answer there, but it's taking a while to settle out.  and my teeth hurt.  gah, i can't wait till these cavities are filled.

that is all, right now.

-bs

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[karieflybabe.livejournal.com]

Regarding the plagiarism thing in sentinelficfind, it looks like it's died a sweet death with the anti-plagiarist side leaving a huge gapping hole in the pro-plagiarist (Or "It's ok if you want to read it, it's already there anyway and why fight it" crowd)argument.

Personally I'm a little disappointed.

[boogieshoes.livejournal.com]

i'm disappointed three. although i'll probably release any future 'fic i should be so lucky to finish under the creative commons license myself, i'd still expect people to reference my work when they use it. anything else really *isn't* acceptable. i mean, there's a reason folks get upset when they're plagiarised, and it has less to do with potential income than it does with reputation.

which is why the 'all fanfic is plagiarism' argument irritates the cr*p out of me, i suppose. for one, (ethical) fanwriters *do* acknowledge the source. and for B, (real) fanwriting is *not* stealing someone else's work word for word. it's playing a what-if game with someone else's characters, not writing what's already been written.

i should stop now while i'm still coherent. :-p

-bs

[fluterbev.livejournal.com]

Heh, thanks for that :-).

The whole unpleasant Darkdreamer episode was kind of my fannish coming of age. Up to that point, I had assumed that more-or-less everyone in the fanfic community considered plagiarism to be A Bad Thing (just as people in the offline world do) - but alas I had my rude awakening :-) I fully expect, having had a hand in depriving people of their supply of stolen porn, that I will be regarded as the bad guy by some for ever and ever. The type of stuff that came up on ficfind comes up on various lists from time to time, and I nearly always get singled out as having somehow done something very, very wrong (though condemnation of Darkdreamer herself is virtually nil).

Word on what you say about the 'all fanfic is plagiarism' argument. The most disappointing part of that whole episode, when it all kicked off in my journal back in the day, was having a respected, able fanfic writer tell me exactly that. It was even more disappointing that she felt the need to do so anonymously, in rather caustic terms... which makes me wonder if that's what she actually believes, or if she was simply trolling. Whatever the case, it's a bizarre stance for a writer to take.

[karieflybabe.livejournal.com]

Wait, so what, some boob tried to say that all fanfiction is really plagiarism? Bull-fucking-shit!

Yeah, I know, not as eloquent as I could usually express it... but hell.

[fluterbev.livejournal.com]

Yep, 'fraid so. It happened in this thread during the big plagiarism wank in my journal, in the first anon comment:
http://fluterbev.livejournal.com/251603.html?thread=2767827#t2767827

Identities get revealed later on in the thread, thanks to the beauty of IP logging. Funny how she was 100% more polite when she realised I knew who she was... LOL

[boogieshoes.livejournal.com]

you will never be a bad guy to me. :-D mostly because i totally love your stuff. and frankly, i'd rather have original pr0n than stolen pr0n, anyway. i need all the pr0n i can get, as a single woman looking around desperately for quality men, and the more original pr0n out there for my own titillation, the better, heh.

fwiw, i didn't think the P-L 'wank' was so wanky. our fandom seems pretty laid back for the most part, which is nice. i can't imagine the HP kerfluffles happening in sendom, frex. ;-)

i myself don't actually like lj all that much; i find it much harder to navigate and find things, although that may be my own neo-luddite-ism showing. also, i think it tends to promote short swift conversations, rather than long meaty ones, which drives me nuts. i was sort of dragged here kicking and screaming because this is where the fandom went, and i still get into little snits about it.

i can understand boths sides of the WIP-posting thing. if you post a story that is finished, ended, perioded... then there's a quality like afterglow for the reader. the self-contained 'ahhh' thing. (the 'give me a cigarette and a lighter' thing...) and the reader can ask questions and speculate, but the author isn't necessarily distracted by new ideas intruding into the story, making it go where it was never intended to go. and i don't know about you, but i suspect i'd have a hard problem with that.

otoh, the best-est thing about lj is, when you *do* need that instant feedback, that 'help, i'm in the middle of this and wrote myself into a corner' moment - help is there in the form of your f-list. it's a nice thing to know that someone will go 'ah, yeah, try changing this here', even when your regular betas are on vacation!

so i can see both sides. for me, i don't read WIPs unless they're never going to be finished. it drives me batty not to be able to read all the way to the end. but i suspect when/if i should ever get the courage and/or the time to start writing, i'll probably take advantage of the 'hey, check this out, and tell me what you think' feature.

-bs, more than mildly rambly, which is how you can tell she's ver' tired

[fluterbev.livejournal.com]

you will never be a bad guy to me. :-D mostly because i totally love your stuff. and frankly, i'd rather have original pr0n than stolen pr0n, anyway. i need all the pr0n i can get, as a single woman looking around desperately for quality men, and the more original pr0n out there for my own titillation, the better, heh.

LOL thank you. And on the latter point, sing it sister ;-)

Yep, wanks in TS tend toward the politer end of the spectrum. But I did find some of the recently expressed viewpoints on P-L wanky in themselves. Whenever an argument tends toward the ad hominem - 'obviously anyone who posts a WIP in public is an egotistical attention h0r' - my wank-o-meter goes into the red! :-) Fine to express likes and dislikes, whether it be about WIPs, LJ or anything else. Not so fine when the people whose likes and dislikes differ from yours just get told what bad people they are :-).

WIPs help me write, which is why I do 'em - the point you made about the beta aspect is a big reason I find it a productive process. It's also fun - it's just nice to chat along with people as it develops, and I find that motivates me to keep at it. Most of mine will get finished - after I complte the latest one (it is almost done) I think I only have three more that are unfinished. Wow, that's unprecedented, for me!

[fluterbev.livejournal.com]

PS I am rambly and tired too LOL