Yes, I know, this has taken a while; LJ is so not run at my speed!
You asked:
anyway, i wanted to ask you what your views are, or if you can point me to a post where you've laid them out. i read a lot of this stuff coming in late, and i'm not as well-connected in lj-land as i'd like to be, so i probably missed your viewpoints, but i'm sure i would find them interesting.
No, I haven't laid them out anywhere, just commented here and there.
I am more taking the view of, what do I want from fandom?
(1) I want to squee about things I'm into. (2) I want to have easy access to fanfic. I don't mind wading through a lot of dreck, but I want to eventually be able to find stories I want to read. (3) I want people to read my own fic. (4) I want help in figuring out what the bleep *is* this whole fanfic thing about? I mean, I used to read BOOKS. Lots of them. I read "War and Peace" for the heck of it; I was majorly active in POB fandom in the mid-90s. We've got thousands and thousands of books of all sorts in our little bungalow. But, for the past five years all I've read for fun is fanfic, and the occasional Bujold and HP book (with my husband actually reading those aloud, so I'm not sure they even count.)
I don't see OTW helping with (1), and maybe with (2). As for (3) - like I said before, I won't use an archive that doesn't let me point to my page. Cascade Library is great like this, though the rules limiting how sexuality is expressed are annoying. I mean, I get that, in TS, it's helpful to have a safe space for gen, but there's more to life than "best buddies" and "lovers." (I'd actually never noticed that Black Raptor doesn't have a search function! But with M7 you're already subdividing by AU and main characters, so maybe further subdivisions aren't felt to be necessary?)
I pretty much agree with you about the archive, iow. Just not sure I'd post my own fic to it.
However, I really see OTW addressing (4). I think the journal could be really interesting. And I might just find the wiki useful. I don't know; but a year ago I'd never have thought that I'd go to wikipedia for all my mathematical needs, and now I pretty much do.
As for the legal stuff, and heidi8 - I tried to follow the whole CC thing and never could get a handle on it. My own views of plagiarism are unfashionably wishy-washy; I'm not going to get into it more on a publicly-accessible post on LJ. I *do* think that it doesn't really matter what heidi8 has done. But, it's not really that I want OTW's legal stuff to be competent (though it would be nice) - I'm interested because it's another way of approaching (4), and, really, it's All About Me.
So - yeah, I'm interested in OTW. The next question is, what do I want to do about it? And then their language becomes really important. And - I just don't think it represents me.
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Date: 2008-01-27 01:45 am (UTC)You asked:
anyway, i wanted to ask you what your views are, or if you can point me to a post where you've laid them out. i read a lot of this stuff coming in late, and i'm not as well-connected in lj-land as i'd like to be, so i probably missed your viewpoints, but i'm sure i would find them interesting.
No, I haven't laid them out anywhere, just commented here and there.
I am more taking the view of, what do I want from fandom?
(1) I want to squee about things I'm into.
(2) I want to have easy access to fanfic. I don't mind wading through a lot of dreck, but I want to eventually be able to find stories I want to read.
(3) I want people to read my own fic.
(4) I want help in figuring out what the bleep *is* this whole fanfic thing about? I mean, I used to read BOOKS. Lots of them. I read "War and Peace" for the heck of it; I was majorly active in POB fandom in the mid-90s. We've got thousands and thousands of books of all sorts in our little bungalow. But, for the past five years all I've read for fun is fanfic, and the occasional Bujold and HP book (with my husband actually reading those aloud, so I'm not sure they even count.)
I don't see OTW helping with (1), and maybe with (2). As for (3) - like I said before, I won't use an archive that doesn't let me point to my page. Cascade Library is great like this, though the rules limiting how sexuality is expressed are annoying. I mean, I get that, in TS, it's helpful to have a safe space for gen, but there's more to life than "best buddies" and "lovers." (I'd actually never noticed that Black Raptor doesn't have a search function! But with M7 you're already subdividing by AU and main characters, so maybe further subdivisions aren't felt to be necessary?)
I pretty much agree with you about the archive, iow. Just not sure I'd post my own fic to it.
However, I really see OTW addressing (4). I think the journal could be really interesting. And I might just find the wiki useful. I don't know; but a year ago I'd never have thought that I'd go to wikipedia for all my mathematical needs, and now I pretty much do.
As for the legal stuff, and heidi8 - I tried to follow the whole CC thing and never could get a handle on it. My own views of plagiarism are unfashionably wishy-washy; I'm not going to get into it more on a publicly-accessible post on LJ. I *do* think that it doesn't really matter what heidi8 has done. But, it's not really that I want OTW's legal stuff to be competent (though it would be nice) - I'm interested because it's another way of approaching (4), and, really, it's All About Me.
So - yeah, I'm interested in OTW. The next question is, what do I want to do about it? And then their language becomes really important. And - I just don't think it represents me.
- Helen