And the other thing that I have found helpful is accountability. Meeting with a group weekly to weigh in and talk about challenges. And it doesn't have to be something expensive like WW. I ended up going to TOPS (even though it's a bit old-skewed in its demographic and a bit cutesy-clubby) because it's cheap and their recommended food plans are basic, healthy plans, the people are friendly and, yes, it keeps me honest. I've not been making huge strides, it's working out to about 10 lbs per year lost, which could be better, but it's something.